00:00:00: Herzlich willkommen OpenCord, unser Basketball Podcast. Schön, dass ihr wieder mit dabei seid,

00:00:06: der Basketball Podcast des deutschen Meisters des FC Bayern Basketball. Mit einem Gast,

00:00:11: auf den ich mich total freue, denn wir als Basketball-Fans in Deutschland, wir kennen ihn nicht

00:00:16: nur alle, wir schätzen ihn alle, wir lieben ihn alle und spätestens seit dem Sommer 23 ist er auch

00:00:21: eine Basketball-Legende in unserem Land und er ist der Chef-Trainer des FC Bayern Basketball seit

00:00:27: dieser Saison. Dieser Podcast wird in Englisch stattfinden, ich hoffe, das werdet ihr alle gut

00:00:32: und gerne hinbekommen. Ich werde mein Bestes geben, versuchen kluge Fragen in Englisch zu stellen,

00:00:38: das ist immer ganz spannend, wenn man als nicht-Native-Speaker dann auf einmal auf einen

00:00:41: Native-Interview-Partner trifft, aber ich glaube, es wird gut, weil er eine Menge Geschichten erzählen

00:00:46: kann aus seinem Leben und deswegen freue ich mich sehr, dass er da ist. Gordon Herbert, Gordon, hi.

00:00:52: Hallo, sehr schön zu sein. Sehr schön zu treffen. Wie fühlst du dich heute Morgen? Vielleicht ganz kurz zur

00:00:59: Erklärung, wir zeichnen auf am Morgen nach dem Sieg gegen Maccabi Tel Aviv und zeigen diese Folge euch

00:01:06: auf den verschiedenen Kanälen jetzt rund um Weihnachten, also müssen wir ein bisschen über

00:01:11: Christmast reden, weil wir es auch auf Christmast verabschieden haben. Aber wie fühlst du dich heute

00:01:15: Morgen nach einem sehr intensiven Wunsch? Ja, es war ziemlich erfreut. Es war wahrscheinlich

00:01:22: die worsten 20 Minuten, wir haben im ersten Jahr im SAP-Garten gespielt. Du hast es gesagt, ja.

00:01:27: Und du hast gesagt, es war dein Mist. Ja, ich habe ein paar Besteile zu unserem

00:01:33: Defensive-Gameland gemacht, weil wir das Team spielen und ein Backfire haben. Wir haben

00:01:40: uns passiv und nicht aggressiv und überwachtig und es ist gebrochen. Wir haben uns in der Hälfte geändert und

00:01:50: wir haben uns wieder in unserem Spiel zurückgegangen. Wir haben ein bisschen gespielt, aber die Leute haben sehr

00:01:55: Resilienz gezeigt, von 15 bis 15 Minuten. Wir waren zusammen wie ein Team. Schabaz Napier kam in, Kevin Yebo came in,

00:02:06: gave us great energy, Andy Ops got really going. So, it was a really good last 15 minutes.

00:02:15: And the next win at home in SAP-Garten. So, it's an amazing start, the season of the Euroleague as well.

00:02:22: And everybody in basketball Munich is very happy to see that. I think it's a very intensive season for you,

00:02:28: because there's so many games in the BBL and the Euroleague as well. Are you happy to have a little

00:02:34: Christmas break now? Yeah, it's a grind, a good grind though. Some sleepless nights.

00:02:43: But no, I've enjoyed it. I mean, we have a really good group of players, good people.

00:02:53: Coaching staff is excellent. Infrastructure around the club is tremendous. So, it's been a

00:03:01: joy to work here and I've enjoyed it. So, the break is there, a little break. I think it's very

00:03:07: important to be clear in the mind as well. Before our interview this morning, you told me you came

00:03:15: from swimming. How often do you that and how important is it to you, especially after games,

00:03:21: for example, to swim, to have a clear mind? You know, as a coach you give and you give and you give.

00:03:30: The morning, early in the morning, whether it's 6.30 or 7.30, this is the time I try to give to myself.

00:03:35: So, swimming is a gift? Yeah, I go swimming and do some, I swim for 30 minutes. I do water running,

00:03:46: I do kickboarding. I do about an hour, an hour five, an hour ten minute workout. Other days,

00:03:53: I might go for a walk in Olympic Park or I go to the fitness center and do weightlifting.

00:04:00: Workout. So, this clears my mind and keeps me healthy and I need this.

00:04:08: Was it always in your life the same? So, you needed it as a young coach as well

00:04:15: when you started your career as a coach? When I finished playing and I started coaching,

00:04:20: I didn't work out that much. I actually put on about 10 kilos and

00:04:26: I learned to deal with the stress. I had to get back to the routine of working out

00:04:34: and taking care of my body and watching what I eat. I've tried to do that

00:04:41: over the last 15, 20 years. So, as a coach, for example, to live a life like that,

00:04:49: so to keep in touch with yourself and to be careful with yourself. Are you a kind of role model

00:04:56: for your players as well? Do you try to be a role model? I try to, I have certain core values

00:05:03: that I really want to exemplify with the group. And for me, if I want these core values to go

00:05:08: throughout the team, I have to set the example. The core values I want are trust, respect,

00:05:16: commitment. If we don't have commitment, we can't do anything. So, this is the first

00:05:23: part of everything, right? To build a team. Right. I talk about culture of greatness.

00:05:29: For me, that's vision, core values and team identity. And now that's the beginning of

00:05:36: developing a culture. Are we there yet? No, but we're working towards it. I think the whole life

00:05:44: as a sportsman as well as a human being is always learning, right? To a certain extent,

00:05:53: it doesn't matter what profession we're in. Our landscape is changing weekly, monthly. We have

00:06:00: to recreate ourselves. We have to keep learning. I use the term, we have to keep climbing the mountain.

00:06:06: And are we on the beach feeling good about ourselves? Are we climbing the mountain

00:06:13: learning, adapting, getting better? Gordy, let's talk a little bit about

00:06:19: the past when you were a young player, grown up in Canada. And then you moved,

00:06:26: in which age you moved to Finland? And why Finland?

00:06:30: Yeah, I grew up in Canada in a place called Penticton, B.C. in the Okanagan Valley.

00:06:39: Very much like Western Austria type thing with the mountains, close to the Rocky Mountains.

00:06:47: So no big towns in the near? No, it was 30,000 people, two lakes on each end,

00:06:53: and mountains on both sides. So I grew up playing hockey, snow skiing.

00:06:58: But no basketball? Not so later. So I was about 13 or 14 when I kind of grew

00:07:07: too quickly to play hockey anymore. Bad slash good decision.

00:07:13: I was a much better hockey player than basketball player.

00:07:17: Yeah, I mean growing up in Canada, that's what we do. We play hockey.

00:07:23: But sport was very important for you as a child because I think your mother was

00:07:28: a teacher, a sport teacher, right? She was a sport teacher and a very good athlete.

00:07:32: Much better athlete than I was. She played all kinds of sports.

00:07:37: Great tennis player, great golfer, basketball. She was a tremendous athlete.

00:07:43: My father was the opposite. He was an intellect, a lawyer, very smart, couldn't play sports at all.

00:07:51: But when you were a CUE history as a coach, so you were a professional player on the one hand,

00:07:58: so there was the talent by the mother. But you were very strategic

00:08:05: coach. So you were a mix from both parents, right?

00:08:09: Yeah, so to speak. I went to the University of Idaho, went down to the States for five years

00:08:15: to play basketball. It was my dream growing up. I had two really goals. One was to go to the States

00:08:21: and play college basketball. The other was to play for the Canadian national team.

00:08:27: So many young guys have this dream, right, to play for the whole country.

00:08:32: Right. And I only came to Europe really to stay in shape after playing college basketball

00:08:37: before I could play for the Canadian team in the summertime. And that's why I came. I always had

00:08:42: the intention of just going to Europe for one or two years, play a little bit, and then go back

00:08:48: to law school. But why Finland? I had different opportunities coming out of college. I'm not

00:08:57: really sure. I had an agent and he recommended I go there. And yeah, I went there and it was a

00:09:03: little bit of a culture shock in the early 1980s. Dark, gloomy, two TV channels.

00:09:13: This is a completely culture shock to come there, right? It was a real culture shock.

00:09:23: But then you stayed there. So you liked it. Yeah, you know, in 1984 I met my wife.

00:09:31: And it's probably the reason why I stayed. The first wife, right? Second.

00:09:36: I read about your experience in this case as well. I'm a big believer in threes, but

00:09:50: second wife and we had two kids together. And yeah, and I still kind of, in coaching you need

00:09:58: a home base so to speak, because you never know what's going to happen. And so much, you know,

00:10:03: I have a home base in Finland. And but you reached your goal during this time to play for the

00:10:09: Canadian national team. But you were a kind of player number 10, 11 or 12, right in this team?

00:10:17: Yeah, I played for Canada in the World Student Games in '83. We won the gold medal. Olympics '84,

00:10:24: we came fourth. World Championships '86, we were sixth. Yeah, you know, that was my goal to play.

00:10:33: And I was always 10, somewhere between nine and 12, so to speak, 10, 11 and 12,

00:10:41: which really helped me in coaching today, because I really understood how important it is

00:10:47: and how difficult it is. And, you know, an interesting story, and I think it was 1983 or 1982,

00:10:54: the national team coach took me up, took me aside and said, you're good enough to make this team.

00:11:01: But if your attitude is like last year, we got a bus ticket and you can go home.

00:11:08: He says, you're going to have to learn how to be a good teammate. Support,

00:11:12: you might not play a minute, but you're going to have to learn how to do this.

00:11:15: And, you know, it was a great lesson for me. And I still refer that today. And I understand

00:11:25: how difficult it is and how important it is that players 10, 11 and 12 are good team people.

00:11:33: To compare it here with your team now at the FC Bayern. What would you say?

00:11:37: You know, we have Elias Harris, really good team guy,

00:11:43: Broncovic, good team guy. With the national team, I had the perfect person with Nils Giffey.

00:11:52: The absolutely perfect 11 or 12 man, well respected, great teammate.

00:12:00: His teammates loved him. I kind of wish Nils would have complained once or twice.

00:12:06: Because he's actually a very, very good player. He made it too easy for me.

00:12:11: And now you have him here. Yes.

00:12:13: He's more than number 10, right? Yeah, he has a big role here. Nils brings

00:12:20: great qualities to the game. He impacts the game in different ways.

00:12:27: And he can impact the game without scoring to help you win. He doesn't need the ball.

00:12:31: He doesn't need to score to have a really good game. And this is really important for this team.

00:12:35: Because you're talking about Nils, normally I planned to make it later on. But maybe you remember

00:12:43: two weeks ago, three weeks ago, Nils was a guest in my basketball show for the NBA Broadcasting.

00:12:49: And Nils was there. And we had a very nice greeting from you. And he was very happy that you

00:12:56: talked about him. And then I asked him to give me something about you. What does he like

00:13:03: about coaching? And there's a very interesting example. Let's hear it together. Okay? Okay.

00:13:11: Hey, guten Morgen. Also Finger komplett okay. Was läuft los? Keine

00:13:17: kurze, kurze Schockmomente oder so was?

00:13:22: Ja, ich finde es schön, aber bei Gordy ist es, dass man merkt, dass er die selbe Person ist und

00:13:28: da die selbe, den selben Charakter zeigt, den er auch von einer Zulandmannschaft hatte. Einfach

00:13:35: jemand, der sehr, der auch sehr in sich ruht und da seinen eigenen Weg und seinen eigenen Plan hat.

00:13:45: Und ich würde sagen, nicht zu viel heiß und zu viel los geht, sondern eher diese Kultur prägen

00:13:55: möchte und das auf einem konstanten Level. Wovon ich beeindruckt bin, ich dachte, das wären

00:14:04: noch eine Sache vom Sommer, sind diese, sind diese Mittkortspiele, die wir manchmal machen,

00:14:13: beim Schüleraund, wenn wir vom, vom Halfcode werfen, für Geld oder für

00:14:21: so kleine Lotto Tickets, dann bin ich immer wieder, immer wieder beeindruckt,

00:14:28: wie viel er davon hat. Also das ist schon, das ist schon über so eine Sonn gesehen beträchtliches

00:14:37: Investment, was er da, was er da an die Mannschaft gibt. Ich dachte, das wäre über so ein Sommer gesehen,

00:14:46: übersichtlicher Betrag, aber jetzt über eine Saison greift er schon tief in die Tasche.

00:14:51: So, das erste, was er gesagt hat, er ist sehr empreift, dass du hier die same Charakter,

00:14:59: die gleiche Coaching wie in der Nationalteam-Kultur, ist sehr wichtig, wie gesagt,

00:15:05: das eine Sache, und dann ist er über die Mittkortspiele gesprochen, also von der Logo,

00:15:08: zum Beispiel, dass du immer mit diesem Team gebaut hast, dachten, es ist nur im Sommer,

00:15:14: aber du spielst in diesen Spielern während der ganzen Saison, und er sagte, es ist ein

00:15:22: großer Investment für den Coach, weil es so viel Geld und so viele Tickets gibt.

00:15:25: Ich hoffe, dass ich viel zu viel Sponsoren habe.

00:15:33: Du hast das für dich geplant.

00:15:35: Die Spieler haben mich gefragt, ob ich diese für frei bin, weil niemand sie gewinnt.

00:15:38: Was ist ein Spiel so wichtig für dich als Coach?

00:15:44: Für mich ist es wichtig, dass ich es genügend im Praxime schaffe. Ich möchte sie

00:15:51: genügend im Praxime schaffen. Ich möchte sie ein bisschen Spaß haben, schlafen,

00:15:55: manchmal, zeigen some emotions, smile, und ich denke, wenn wir was genießen, haben wir eine

00:16:03: bessere Chance, um erfolgreich zu sein. Wenn wir nicht in den Densisten gehen und

00:16:08: in den Praxime kommen, sind wir in Trouble. Ja, also zurück zu deinen Zeiten als Spieler,

00:16:14: als junger Spieler in Finnland oder später, als du etwas davor gingen, als du Coach geworden bist,

00:16:21: hast du das Gefühl gemacht, wie das, das Beispiel, das Beispiel, das du gemacht hast,

00:16:29: mit deinen Coachen? Nein, nicht wirklich. Ich war in der Schule und

00:16:35: unsere Coachen waren ziemlich schwer. Wir haben nie wirklich so etwas gemacht. Ich bin nicht sicher,

00:16:44: wo ich es ausfällig bin. Ich denke, wenn du einen halben Kurzen schaffst, ist das das letzte,

00:16:52: was du machst, bevor du im Spieltag nach der Praxis leavest, am Morgen des Spiels,

00:16:56: und es enthielt nur die Beziehung. Und so können die Spieler ein bisschen relaxen, es ist nicht

00:17:03: Tänzen und so und so. Das ist das, was ich mache. Das ist das letzte, was wir machen. Wir sparen auch Poker.

00:17:11: Wenn wir nicht einen Morgenstatt haben, dann spielen wir Poker. Und der Winner nimmt etwas nach Hause.

00:17:18: Wo hast du das gelernt? Dass das für dich, in deiner persönlichen Meinung, als Coach so wichtig ist?

00:17:24: Ich habe keine Ahnung, wo ich es ausfällig bin.

00:17:29: Hast du einen Lehrer oder so? Nein.

00:17:33: Es sind Social Skills. Ja, wenn ich in der Nationalteam startete,

00:17:39: hatte ich ein besseres Kommunikator. Ich hatte eine bessere Entwicklung der Relationschaft,

00:17:44: weil das ist, was Nationalteam-Coaches alles umfällt. Sie haben eine Zeit, in der Zeit, und auch

00:17:50: mit der Nationalteam, sie sind ein Teil der freien Zeit, von der Familie zu Hause zu kommen.

00:17:59: Wir müssen es für diese Spieler aufnehmen. Wir müssen es für sie aufnehmen, dass sie sich mit

00:18:09: einem anderen betreffen. Und auf einen bestimmten Grunde, ich denke, das ist was, was uns wirklich

00:18:13: helfen wird, um es zu sein. Wir haben es dabei genügend.

00:18:16: Also, wenn ein Spieler, z.B., so viel über die Familie denkt oder hat ein Problem mit der Familie,

00:18:23: weil er so oft, so weit weg ist, im Sommer, im ganzen Jahr, nämlich im ganzen Jahr,

00:18:30: weil der Verbrauch, wenn du für die Nationalteam im Sommer spielst, der Verbrauch ist vielleicht 2 oder 3,

00:18:35: fast 4 Wochen nicht mehr. Das ist nicht einfach für die Familie. Also, die Familie ist nicht einfach.

00:18:42: Und du weißt das sehr gut, oder? Nein, es ist nicht einfach für die Spausen, die Kinder.

00:18:48: Aber wir haben sehr kurze Trainingkampfen versucht. Und dann hatten wir Verbrauch inzwischen.

00:18:57: Und manchmal bringen wir die Federation gut, um die Familie in die Zeit zu bringen,

00:19:01: für 3, 4 Tage, in verschiedenen Zeiten. Also, es hat sich sehr gut gemacht.

00:19:06: Aber es ist ein Verbrauch, dass du von deinem Familie weg bist und du hast

00:19:13: deine Freitage im Sommer geübt. Wie viel hast du als Basketball-Koch, Sportteacher und wie viel ist

00:19:20: der Psychologin? Du weißt, was ich meine, weil ich so viel mit den Spielern sprechen.

00:19:30: Du weißt, wie oft du als Psychologin bist? Spieler wissen nicht, aber ich weiß es.

00:19:37: Also, bist du gut in dem? Was sagst du? Du musst die Spieler fragen.

00:19:43: Als ich startete, war ich sehr groß auf Strategie, X und O. Ich habe nicht die Kultur und

00:19:52: Teambuilding geïntakt. Jetzt bin ich der selben. Ich bin groß auf Kultur.

00:20:00: Teambuilding, creating a team. Und dann kommt die Strategie. Du brauchst beide.

00:20:06: Aber du musst eine Balance haben. Das ist interessant, weil du sagst, dass ich jetzt

00:20:11: der Opposite bin, als Coach. Aber ich glaube, es war nicht ein Mistake,

00:20:17: weil das ganze Leben als Coach auch ein Entwickler ist. Ja, ich musste mich wirklich

00:20:23: als Coach entwickeln und lernen. Ich habe in Finnland und Belgium spielen. Ich hatte

00:20:30: mich wirklich zurück nach hinten rechrieren. Aber das funny ist, dass ich jetzt als Coach

00:20:37: nichts gemacht habe, was ich 20 Jahre ago gemacht habe. Ja, wenn du startest in

00:20:43: Deiner Karriere, z.B. in Deutschland, in Frankfurt, oder? Ich startete in Würzburg in 2000.

00:20:48: Sorry, in Würzburg. Erst in Austria, in Würzburg, in Frankfurt.

00:20:54: Das war ein komplett anderer Gord. Ja, es war ziemlich emotional, ziemlich

00:21:01: schreitig, nachdem ich nach Hause ging. Ich habe nach der Praxis geguckt und

00:21:14: ich sah was ich gesehen hatte. Warum? Es war einfach nicht mich. Ich habe gelernt,

00:21:20: dass es mich lange lang gemacht hat, aber ich habe gelernt, dass ich mich nicht

00:21:23: schreien und nicht schreien kann. Ich konnte eine Atmosphäre,

00:21:27: einen Hinten, Energie, nicht schreien und nicht schreien. Es war mehr um

00:21:31: kommunikationen und es könnte mehr individualisiert sein als teamweite.

00:21:37: Ich bin nicht wirklich glücklich, wie ich war, in bestimmten Zeiten.

00:21:43: Ich habe TVs gebrochen, ich habe sehr viel gebraucht.

00:21:47: Aber ich glaube, dass ich durch das Ende gekommen bin. Ich mag mich jetzt viel besser.

00:22:01: Ist es ein Moment, als es so verändert hat, dass ich jetzt eine sehr...

00:22:08: Ich würde es "kom" nennen?

00:22:14: Ich würde sagen, dass es 2019 war, als ich mit Nick Nurse und der

00:22:21: Kanadien-Nationalteam gearbeitet habe. Er hat nie seine Void nicht gebraucht.

00:22:25: Ich habe mit Kenny Atkinson gearbeitet, als Koalitionsvorsitzender mit der

00:22:29: Brooklyn Netscher, seine Void gebraucht. Ich habe den Job mit der

00:22:35: Nationalteam gearbeitet, ich habe meine Void in drei Jahren gebraucht.

00:22:38: Während der Slovenien-Game, mit Dennis Daniels, der Weltkup.

00:22:42: Daniel? Sehr tolles Spiel, weil jeder Spieler der Nationalteam,

00:22:49: der Tournament war. Ja, ich glaube, wir haben auch die Anniversität gebraucht.

00:22:55: Aber wir haben es gebraucht. Ein funny Ding ist, dass ich gesagt habe,

00:23:02: Daniel und Dennis, bis ich sie gesehen habe, standen,

00:23:04: den Teamlehrern auf die Gange und dann haben sie sie wieder in den Spiel gemacht.

00:23:07: Und sie haben sehr viel gespielt. Die Spieler haben den Lockroom gebraucht und

00:23:11: die Tür gebraucht. Ich habe das nicht bis später hören können.

00:23:14: Sie haben die Tür gebraucht und niemand hat sie in den Lockroom gebraucht.

00:23:16: Und sie haben es durchgebracht. Wir hatten hohe Standards. Sie hatten hohe Standards

00:23:24: und sie waren nicht nur selbst beteiligt, sondern auch ihre Teamlehrer.

00:23:27: Ich habe keine Ahnung, was in diesem Lockroom passiert.

00:23:30: Aber als ich da war, war die Tür gebraucht. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, was ich

00:23:35: habe gesehen, halbzeit. Aber wenn du in ein Lockroom gehst und halbzeit,

00:23:39: riechst du die Tür ein bisschen, bevor du sprechen.

00:23:41: Und die Hände waren hoch, die Augen waren auf. Wir waren bereit zu gehen.

00:23:49: Also, jeder in Deutschland hat diese Teams gesehen. Das war der einzige Zeit,

00:23:53: in dem du dein Void erledigst.

00:23:54: Drei Jahre.

00:23:55: Hast du das Void erledigt in Bayern?

00:23:58: Oh, letzte Nacht halbzeit.

00:24:00: Aber es ist nicht so. Du bist ein sehr komischer Mann.

00:24:08: Wie gesagt, das war anders. In den ersten Jahren in Deutschland,

00:24:13: auch in der Zeit in Frankfurt, war ein sehr erfolgreicher Zeit.

00:24:17: Weil du das Frankort "Championier" willst.

00:24:20: Warum in Deutschland?

00:24:22: Wie gesagt, in Finnland war es euer zweites Land,

00:24:27: nach dem du in Kanada geblieben bist.

00:24:28: Du liebst Fischung, du liebst die Natur.

00:24:32: Also in Finnland ist, in meiner Meinung, ein sehr nice Land für dich,

00:24:37: um zu leben.

00:24:38: Und ich weiß, dass du manchmal da bist, ein bisschen Holiday.

00:24:42: Fischung auch, ich denke, richtig?

00:24:45: Was für ein Hockey. Aber in Deutschland, meine Frau.

00:24:48: Deutschland war mein Verbrauch, sobald ich in Wurzburg gehe,

00:24:53: in Frankfurt, war mein großer Verbrauch.

00:24:55: In Finnland war es nicht ein gutes Basketball-Kundchen.

00:25:01: Austria war nicht ein gutes Basketball-Kundchen.

00:25:03: Es waren gute Erfolger für mich, um zu lernen,

00:25:07: um zu lernen und durch den Prozess zu kommen.

00:25:09: Aber Deutschland war ein Steppengestell für mich,

00:25:13: um in Wurzburg zu gehen, um in Frankfurt zu gehen, für drei Jahre.

00:25:17: Das war mein Verbrauch.

00:25:19: Und dann hast du dich entwickelt.

00:25:23: In deinem Leben in Europa, in Franz,

00:25:26: ich glaube, das war ein intensiver Zeit,

00:25:29: als du die frische Basketball-Kunde, in 2006, 2007, 2009,

00:25:36: in Paris, und andere Teams,

00:25:40: als du die Basketball-Kunde fährst,

00:25:42: mit der frischen Basketball-Kunde, in diesem Zeitpunkt,

00:25:44: Franz war ein bisschen mehr,

00:25:49: ein schlechter Team, der Nationalteam,

00:25:52: Tony Parker, für Beispiel, und Leute so.

00:25:54: Wurde besser als die deutschen.

00:25:56: Wir hatten Dirk Nowitzki.

00:25:58: Es war ein bisschen besser als der Leaks,

00:26:01: ich glaube, als der Zeit.

00:26:02: Und dann ging ich nach Griechen,

00:26:07: nach Franz, das war eine tolle Erfahrung,

00:26:09: mit den meisten crazysten Fans,

00:26:12: mit Serbia und in Griechen, oder?

00:26:14: Ja, und das war, als die griechische Basketball-Kunde

00:26:16: hochsteht.

00:26:17: Und wir waren in der Euro-Kunde,

00:26:19: und es war ein tolles Atmosphäre, unglaublich.

00:26:23: Ich dachte, die deutschen Leaks,

00:26:27: wahrscheinlich drei, vier Jahre ago,

00:26:30: waren besser als die frischen Leaks,

00:26:32: aber jetzt sieht die frischen Leaks,

00:26:34: die nach der Corona-Kunde,

00:26:35: nach der Corona-Situation.

00:26:39: Und die deutschen Leaks

00:26:42: starten jetzt, ich glaube.

00:26:44: Was würdest du sagen, warum?

00:26:47: Und was ist das für einen Rekab?

00:26:50: Ich bin nicht sicher, warum es so ging,

00:26:52: aber ich dachte, bevor die Corona-Kunde

00:26:54: die deutschen Leaks wirklich

00:26:55: nach und nach, nach und nach,

00:26:56: nach und nach,

00:26:57: und dann,

00:26:58: nach der Situation,

00:27:02: ich dachte,

00:27:04: es hat einen langen Zeit genommen,

00:27:06: ich dachte, die top drei oder vier Klubs

00:27:10: in Deutschland waren noch gut.

00:27:11: Ich dachte, es war ein großer Doppel

00:27:14: von Teams,

00:27:15: acht bis sechs, acht bis 18,

00:27:17: sobald es die finanzielle Situation

00:27:21: der Corona-Kunde durchführt.

00:27:24: Ich glaube, das hat wirklich

00:27:25: die meisten Teams gefordert.

00:27:28: Also, die deutschen Leaks

00:27:31: sind, ich glaube, ein intensiver

00:27:34: Leak, weil jeder

00:27:35: kann alle schützen, oder?

00:27:37: Und das ist die Erfahrung,

00:27:39: die du gemacht hast, oder?

00:27:40: Ja, ich glaube,

00:27:41: ich dachte, dass letztes Jahr

00:27:43: die Deutschen Leaks

00:27:45: okay war.

00:27:46: Dieses Jahr, ich glaube,

00:27:48: hat es einen Schritt vorgenommen.

00:27:49: Ich glaube, jeder kann schützen,

00:27:50: jeder kann schützen,

00:27:51: und wenn du die Standings schaust,

00:27:52: das ist verrückt.

00:27:54: Das ist, ich glaube,

00:27:55: das ist gut für Basketball.

00:27:56: Ja, gut für die Fans.

00:27:59: Sehr gut.

00:27:59: Ich glaube, wir alle tun das

00:28:00: für die Fans, sicherlich,

00:28:02: ohne Fans.

00:28:02: Da ist nichts möglich.

00:28:04: Du kannst es für sicher sparen.

00:28:07: Aber es ist ein Kind von

00:28:08: Entertainment, auch.

00:28:09: Ich glaube, das ist sehr wichtig.

00:28:10: Aber die American Basketball,

00:28:11: zum Beispiel, und du hast die Erfahrung

00:28:13: in der NBA gemacht,

00:28:14: das ist viel mehr Entertainment

00:28:16: als in Europa, oder?

00:28:17: Ja, es ist viel mehr Entertainment.

00:28:19: Sie haben wirklich den Einzelnen

00:28:20: in den Staaten gekauft.

00:28:21: Und weil die Defensive-Rules

00:28:23: es viel mehr individualisiert ist

00:28:26: und viel mehr,

00:28:26: die Leute sehen einen Einzelnen-Show,

00:28:30: sozusagen, in einem Team Sport.

00:28:32: Ich glaube, in Europa

00:28:34: haben wir viel besser Team Basketball.

00:28:36: So Team Basketball,

00:28:38: zum Beispiel, bedeutet das Ball

00:28:39: sehr schnell.

00:28:41: Wir haben mehr Ballkontakte

00:28:45: als in der NBA.

00:28:46: Also die Individuals in der NBA

00:28:48: sind viel mehr...

00:28:49: Es gibt immer eine Diskussion

00:28:51: über 3-Point-Juicing,

00:28:53: beispielsweise,

00:28:54: aber du hast uns die Obst.

00:28:55: Nein, ich bin ein großer Belieferer

00:28:57: in 3-Point-Schatten.

00:28:58: Ja, du musst es auch.

00:28:59: Ich glaube, wir schütteln

00:29:01: 31 oder 32 ein Spiel.

00:29:03: Ich würde das zwischen 35 und 40

00:29:06: bekommen.

00:29:07: Und unser Team,

00:29:12: besonders in der Euroleague,

00:29:13: muss die Flore zu spülen.

00:29:14: Wir sind nicht ein großer

00:29:16: physischer Basketball-Team.

00:29:17: Unsere Kraft,

00:29:19: wir müssen auf unsere Kraft

00:29:20: und auf unsere Kraft

00:29:22: auf die Offensive-Empfung

00:29:23: spülen,

00:29:24: öffnen,

00:29:25: spielen

00:29:26: und 3-Point-Juicing.

00:29:29: Wir sprechen jetzt über 1-Point-Juicing.

00:29:31: Einmal später,

00:29:32: dein Personal,

00:29:32: sicherlich,

00:29:33: aber

00:29:33: das Spiel gegen Barcelona

00:29:36: und Andy hat

00:29:37: diese 11-Point-Juicing gemacht.

00:29:39: Ich glaube, das war

00:29:40: ein tolles Spiel.

00:29:42: Wie war das für dich,

00:29:44: nach dem Bann?

00:29:45: Ich habe einfach

00:29:47: den Punkt getroffen,

00:29:49: wo in der zweiten Halbe

00:29:51: wir wirklich ein guter Basketball

00:29:52: und Schatten machen.

00:29:53: Und ich habe einfach

00:29:55: ich wünschte,

00:29:58: ich würde mich dann

00:29:59: einfach auf die Hälfte sitzen

00:30:00: und einfach auf die Hälfte schauen.

00:30:01: Wie ein normales

00:30:02: Freakbader, oder?

00:30:03: Ja,

00:30:04: da sind es einige Zeit...

00:30:05: Das ist das größte Kompliment,

00:30:06: das du als Coach kannst machen.

00:30:07: Ja,

00:30:08: wenn du nicht

00:30:08: kannst,

00:30:10: sie spielen.

00:30:11: Und sie spielen in der righte

00:30:13: Weise

00:30:13: und spielen mit Intensität

00:30:14: und in der Baskervalzeit

00:30:16: und da sind es einige Zeit,

00:30:21: wo dieser Team

00:30:22: wirklich ein guter Basketball spielt.

00:30:24: Gotti,

00:30:25: was war deine Meinung

00:30:27: für das erste Offer

00:30:29: oder das erste Idee,

00:30:31: von FC Bayern

00:30:32: um den Klammkantin

00:30:35: zu werden?

00:30:35: Wann war das?

00:30:37: Ich glaube,

00:30:40: Pablo Lasso

00:30:42: hat also nach dem

00:30:43: Lauf geblieben.

00:30:44: Da war Kontakt.

00:30:46: Wie war Kontakt so?

00:30:49: Kannst du mir etwas sagen?

00:30:50: Also, ist dein Phone Ring

00:30:51: und Marco Pizzic da?

00:30:53: Hallo, Gotti,

00:30:53: lass uns reden.

00:30:54: Wie geht es dir?

00:30:56: Ich glaube, Marco Pizzic

00:30:58: hat mir einfach

00:30:59: meine Situation gefragt.

00:31:00: Und wir haben ein bisschen gesprochen.

00:31:02: Und

00:31:02: ich hatte noch einige andere Offer

00:31:05: auf der Table.

00:31:05: Und

00:31:07: für mich war er

00:31:08: der Wurzelspieler.

00:31:10: Aber für mich war es

00:31:11: ich wollte in Deutschland bleiben.

00:31:13: Und mit der,

00:31:15: wir hatten einiges,

00:31:16: wir hatten,

00:31:17: ich glaube,

00:31:18: wir hatten fünf

00:31:18: deutsche Nationalteamplayers hier.

00:31:20: Und

00:31:22: es war natürlich immer ein

00:31:23: Dreamer,

00:31:24: mein Coach

00:31:25: in der EU,

00:31:25: seit ich in Deutschland war,

00:31:27: mit der Brand

00:31:28: und der Stadt

00:31:30: und der Kultur hier.

00:31:31: Und wie dieser Klub

00:31:33: sich so

00:31:34: so ist.

00:31:35: Es war ein

00:31:36: kein Gebrainer für mich.

00:31:37: Wie ist die Situation

00:31:38: der Klub im Moment?

00:31:39: Was würdest du sagen?

00:31:40: Unglaublich.

00:31:42: Unglaublich, warum?

00:31:43: Nur die Infrastruktur,

00:31:44: die Leute,

00:31:45: die dort arbeiten.

00:31:46: Und du weißt,

00:31:47: die Stärke,

00:31:48: die wir haben

00:31:49: im Office,

00:31:50: ein paar jüngere Leute,

00:31:52: Energie, Enthusiasm.

00:31:54: Sie sehen so wie ein Joy,

00:31:55: Joy,

00:31:56: da drin.

00:31:57: Und ich glaube,

00:31:58: das Klub hat einen tollen Job,

00:32:00: mit ihnen zu vertreten.

00:32:00: Ja.

00:32:02: Du weißt,

00:32:02: es sieht so aus,

00:32:03: dass sie mit der Passion arbeiten.

00:32:05: Und

00:32:06: also,

00:32:08: es ist ein tolles Platz,

00:32:09: um zu arbeiten.

00:32:10: Ich glaube,

00:32:11: in deinem Leben,

00:32:12: vielleicht

00:32:13: kannst du es nicht,

00:32:14: aber ich glaube,

00:32:15: in deinem Leben,

00:32:16: die Atmosphäre

00:32:16: ist sehr wichtig.

00:32:19: Die Atmosphäre

00:32:19: in der Team,

00:32:21: die Atmosphäre im Klub,

00:32:22: die Atmosphäre zwischen

00:32:24: und die Leute, oder?

00:32:25: Absolutely. And I think the one great thing about this club is they create an atmosphere you to work in.

00:32:30: So I think, you know, anytime you go into a club where there's a good atmosphere or a good situation to work, it's really good.

00:32:40: And obviously there's stress, there's pressure.

00:32:45: For sure.

00:32:46: You know, but I've always kind of said, you know, the more pressure you have, the better job you have.

00:32:54: The more pressure you have, the more pressure you have.

00:32:57: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:00: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:03: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:06: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:09: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:12: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:15: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:18: And I think that's the most important thing.

00:33:22: You know, it's tough. We're in a result oriented business.

00:33:25: Wins and losses. People judge you by wins and losses.

00:33:29: I judge us how we play.

00:33:31: Do we play good basketball or not?

00:33:34: There were certain times this year we won a couple of games here at the BMW Park.

00:33:39: We won, but we did not play well.

00:33:41: So, you know, I wasn't really happy with that.

00:33:44: And for me, as the season goes on, it's not about wins and losses.

00:33:50: It's about are we getting better or not? Are we improving?

00:33:53: Because where are we going to be in two months, in three months, in four months?

00:33:57: This is the key for us.

00:33:59: How important is it to tell the people first the team and then the audience as well?

00:34:07: To tell the people we have a goal.

00:34:09: For example, you're very, everybody knows the goals from four years now ago

00:34:15: and nearly four years ago when you started as a head coach for the German national team.

00:34:19: So, you said, okay, three years, three medals.

00:34:21: And everybody said, okay, he's completely crazy.

00:34:23: You remember that.

00:34:26: And then the first game, I think against Estonia.

00:34:30: We lost.

00:34:32: You lost and then, yeah, okay, that's an old story.

00:34:35: But you have a goal as well here.

00:34:37: And you said, we want to reach the Euro league final four.

00:34:41: No, I think it's important when you come in, you have a vision.

00:34:44: Where are you going?

00:34:46: We cannot be afraid of failure.

00:34:48: People do not give a vision because they're afraid of failure.

00:34:51: What happens if we don't know, they give a little bit of wiggle room on where they want to go.

00:34:55: You know, our vision is when the German championship, when the German Cup, Euro League Final Four.

00:35:01: That's the vision I gave.

00:35:03: What happened when you don't get it?

00:35:06: I don't think about that right now.

00:35:08: Okay, but this is, I asked this, this is a German guy.

00:35:11: This is a typical German question.

00:35:13: I think, why are we so negative?

00:35:16: No, but there's, you know, 50/50 sometimes you don't reach it.

00:35:22: I'm sorry for that, that I ask it.

00:35:24: But now, when I ask it, I think, no, this is a typical German.

00:35:27: That's not good.

00:35:29: And your answer is so great to say, I don't think about that.

00:35:31: No, I honestly believe we have a chance to be a Euro League Final Four.

00:35:35: If we really come together as a team, we have team strength.

00:35:39: We're a great group because within that group, when you're a team, the individuals have a chance to be even better.

00:35:45: If we play as individuals, we're not going to get there.

00:35:49: But if we play within the team structure, we need the individuals.

00:35:54: But we need the team first.

00:35:56: A very important part in your team and your coaching staff is your son, Daniel.

00:36:03: Would you say you're a better coach or a better father?

00:36:06: [Laughter]

00:36:08: What did he say?

00:36:10: That's a good question.

00:36:14: I hope he says both.

00:36:15: [Laughter]

00:36:17: Now, he's got an outstanding future.

00:36:20: His basketball IQ is better than mine.

00:36:22: Will there ever be a really head coach?

00:36:25: I'm not sure, but he has a chance to be a top-top assistant coach, lead assistant.

00:36:34: So what is the main difference to be the head coach or lead assistant, for example?

00:36:40: Nobody thought I was going to be a head coach when I started playing or coaching.

00:36:45: It's a little bit about taking charge. You've got to change your perspective a little bit.

00:36:54: You're not the good guy all the time as an assistant coach.

00:36:57: You become a good bad guy, so to speak.

00:37:00: But he has great communication skills, very good with individual workouts.

00:37:07: He communicates well with players, something I never did at his age.

00:37:11: Okay, so this is a big compliment for your son?

00:37:15: Yeah, I think he has a hard time for me to talk about my son, but I think he's got a tremendous future.

00:37:20: Yeah, hopefully.

00:37:22: Yeah, so you're believing your son?

00:37:25: No, absolutely. I've been coaching for 30 years. He's one of the best assistant coaches I've ever had.

00:37:32: Wow.

00:37:35: I don't say this because it's your son.

00:37:36: No, I mean, CJ Parker is being outstanding this year.

00:37:41: Klaus Parvis, him and I were together in Frankfurt and the national team.

00:37:46: He's probably the, you know, the, my glue guy, so to speak.

00:37:50: You know, he's Mr. Negativity. I'm Mr. Positivity when we're together.

00:37:55: Klaus is Mr. Negativity, yeah?

00:37:57: No, but I love Klaus because he gives his opinion. He's not a yes guy.

00:38:03: He gives his opinion. He's straightforward.

00:38:05: There's no gray area with him.

00:38:08: Yeah, so to talk about your son, how do you live with them here in Munich?

00:38:15: Do you like a flat together or everybody has a space or different parts of the city?

00:38:22: No, we have different flats. He's about one kilometer away from us.

00:38:26: I hardly see him. He calls me coach. He doesn't call me dad.

00:38:32: He's from where together he calls me coach.

00:38:34: Yeah.

00:38:35: So, you know, we've kind of, you know, and that's the way it should be.

00:38:42: Do you celebrate Christmas together?

00:38:45: Yeah, I've ordered German Christmas food and him and I will have Christmas together.

00:38:50: What did you order?

00:38:52: Goose dumplings.

00:38:54: Yes.

00:38:55: Yeah, for five people, but there's only two of us.

00:39:00: It's only you and your son.

00:39:02: No, I love the German Christmas and I want, you know, wherever I am, whatever country I am, I try to live.

00:39:08: I try to not only respect that culture, but live that culture.

00:39:13: When you talk about your teams, you're always talking about culture.

00:39:18: You're always talking about the very special spirit you try to create.

00:39:25: Very often it works. What does family mean to you?

00:39:29: It's the most important. My kids are the most important.

00:39:34: I talk, you know, I talk a lot about threes.

00:39:37: You know, the most, I have three things that are really important in my life, you know, in the first thing is family and my kids.

00:39:45: Being divorced, married three times, divorced three times, but still good friends with both the wives.

00:39:54: Yeah. I think this is very interesting, very important.

00:39:57: You don't have to talk about that, but I think it's interesting because when you're talking, when you're talking about basketball, interviewing and all that,

00:40:08: you are always so very strategic and I believe every word what you say and I say, yeah, he's so right.

00:40:15: Yeah, he's so right. Building culture, building a team, building all that.

00:40:18: Why are you divorced so many times?

00:40:23: What didn't work. You know what I mean?

00:40:25: I think it's this job has a real effect on your spouse.

00:40:32: You know, are they ready to move from country to country, live this life and a lot are not.

00:40:41: And I understand that completely.

00:40:43: A lot of women want to have their own house, be in one place, raise a family, be there, have stability, not moving from apartment here to a place.

00:40:52: There's no apartment here, no apartment there.

00:40:54: Did you had this wish sometimes?

00:41:00: To live a normal life in one house, in one place, seeing the child growing up?

00:41:08: No, I miss part of it.

00:41:10: You know, that's why it's really special with my son here because I miss part of my kids growing up because of my job, my selfishness.

00:41:19: Yes.

00:41:21: And, you know, I'll never get that back, but I try to make it up as much as I can.

00:41:26: Do you think sometimes about that fact that this dead working a life?

00:41:30: Sure, sure. I miss part of my kids growing up.

00:41:34: What is your kids opinion about that fact?

00:41:37: They really don't say much. I think they always like to be in different countries and visit.

00:41:44: I mean, they lived in Germany for a period, in France for a period.

00:41:49: So, but obviously it...

00:41:52: So the kids were always with you?

00:41:54: Not always. I mean, they were with their mother in Finland sometimes and sometimes, I think two years in Germany, one year in France, knows it.

00:42:03: So I miss quite a bit of their life and that will always bother me.

00:42:11: And, you know, and to a certain extent, I hate to say it, but it's true.

00:42:17: I put my own profession ahead of my family life.

00:42:20: This is a decision for sure.

00:42:23: And not always a good one.

00:42:25: And when you become older and older, you think more about that, right?

00:42:29: Absolutely. The great thing is I have a great relationship with my kids.

00:42:34: We spend time together a lot.

00:42:36: So that's really important for me.

00:42:41: So the Christmas time now together with your son.

00:42:44: So it's only you two, right?

00:42:46: Yeah. Yeah.

00:42:47: Together and then watching hockey as well or watching basketball.

00:42:50: Do you like more watching basketball or more watching hockey?

00:42:53: When I became a free term.

00:42:56: When I became the German national team coach, it's probably the first time in my life I watched more basketball than hockey.

00:43:02: I don't watch.

00:43:04: Yeah, because I had to watch players.

00:43:07: And I watched basketball to analyze stuff, to get prepared for the next team, to go through our games.

00:43:15: That's why I watch basketball.

00:43:17: But I have to say this year, I've watched a lot of EuroLeague basketball games because it's just really good basketball.

00:43:23: Yeah, exactly.

00:43:25: But for example, this morning I woke up at 4.30 and I watched the hockey game a little bit.

00:43:33: I watched Van Kruver-Kanuck's play.

00:43:35: So I love watching hockey because I can sit back and enjoy it.

00:43:39: I don't analyze it. I can enjoy it. It's fast. It's exciting.

00:43:44: Physical contact.

00:43:45: Have you ever seen a hockey match?

00:43:48: In Germany we say ice hockey, but I think everybody knows that.

00:43:52: We're talking about ice hockey.

00:43:54: Did you ever see a hockey match here in Munich or in Germany?

00:43:57: Sure. When I coached in Berlin, I went to games in Berlin.

00:44:01: Maybe in the ice-benzene.

00:44:03: But I have not been to a game in Munich.

00:44:05: No. Or in the St. Rina.

00:44:07: I know. I've got to know people there.

00:44:09: So I look forward to going and watching the game real soon.

00:44:13: You know what? Our schedule is so tough.

00:44:15: When I have a free night, I'll just stay at home, maybe watch a movie and cook, make something.

00:44:23: And then I'll just go to bed sometimes at 9.00, 9.30.

00:44:28: And then you grew up at?

00:44:30: Yeah, I get up at 6.00, 6.30.

00:44:33: I grew up, get up at 6.00. Sorry.

00:44:35: I tried to be my best English teacher.

00:44:37: Learning as well.

00:44:39: So you get up at 6.30.

00:44:42: I get up at 2.00 and 6.30 in the morning.

00:44:45: Yeah.

00:44:47: It's where my brain works, I think the best.

00:44:49: [Laughs]

00:44:51: Gordy, when you're watching, for example, basketball together now with your son,

00:44:56: who makes the better analysis?

00:45:00: He does.

00:45:02: He does, because his IQ is higher than yours, as you said, a few minutes before.

00:45:06: Yeah, I mean, I think I have pretty good basketball IQ, but compared to him,

00:45:11: he's just really, he sees the game.

00:45:13: He's got a feel for the game that you can't teach.

00:45:16: So is it like this?

00:45:18: I can imagine, or I try to imagine, you sit together in one of your flats,

00:45:22: on the couch, maybe a little drink or something like that,

00:45:27: and then watching, for example, an NBA game when our German plays.

00:45:30: For example, Brooklyn with Dennis plays against Orlando with Moritz and Franz and Tristan as well.

00:45:37: Yeah, I mean, I'll say something and he'll disagree with me.

00:45:40: [Laughs]

00:45:42: But this is kind of typical between father and son, right?

00:45:45: Yeah, no, we go through game plans and he'll disagree with me.

00:45:49: Last night during the game in the first half, he said to me,

00:45:53: "This is the worst 20 minutes I've ever seen in basketball."

00:45:57: [Laughs]

00:45:59: What happened then with you, in your mind, when your son says something like this?

00:46:05: You know, I respect honesty, I respect straightforwardness.

00:46:09: Sometimes you don't like it, but I respect it.

00:46:13: And you respect this by your players as well, right?

00:46:16: Absolutely. I try to create what I call psychological safety with players.

00:46:20: Psychological safety?

00:46:23: Yeah, this is where a player can come to you and say something, or give an opinion,

00:46:29: and he's not afraid for me to blast him.

00:46:33: And I'll give you an example. World Championship.

00:46:36: Before the World Championships, we played United States in Abu Dhabi.

00:46:41: Franz Wagner came to me after the game and said, "Coach, what we're doing against switching is not working."

00:46:46: Not a good defense.

00:46:48: And so we went back with the coaches and we figured it out, we came back and I said,

00:46:52: "Franc, what do you think now?" He says, "Much better coach."

00:46:56: Okay, wow.

00:46:59: Andy Oates, I have that psychological safety with him and Joe Folkman with this team.

00:47:03: Andy will come to me sometimes and say stuff. He's very intense sometimes, which I like.

00:47:09: And he wants to win. His heart is with Bayern Munich and this team.

00:47:17: And he opens up and says stuff to me sometimes too.

00:47:21: I might not lock it all the time when he says, but I really respect that he has an opinion that comes to me.

00:47:28: He says some really good things.

00:47:29: Wow. That's interesting. And maybe it's a kind of secret for good coaching.

00:47:35: I think we learn from our players. I mean, I learned from Shabazz Napier.

00:47:40: He's got great basketball IQ. I learned from him.

00:47:46: And Nick Wilder-Babb has got very good basketball IQ.

00:47:50: So you learn from your players and you have to listen to your players.

00:47:55: When you decided to have Shabazz, for example, in this team here with Bayern Munich, did you talk with Niels before?

00:48:02: Because he knows him very well from the college time.

00:48:06: Yeah, I mean, Joe Folkman played with him parts of two years in Milan.

00:48:10: Oh, it was Niels. I think it was.

00:48:12: Niels played four years in college with him.

00:48:14: Okay, right. Niels was in the college time and Joe was in Milan.

00:48:19: So, you know, I talked to both of them, both of them great things to say and a great teammate.

00:48:25: He's been everything, everything even more than what they said.

00:48:29: So you bring opinions together?

00:48:31: No, I just asked what their opinion was. I wanted to make sure he was a good guy, good in the locker room.

00:48:37: It wasn't so much about his playing ability. It was more about the person.

00:48:43: And I think in your teams, playing as the individuals are very important for sure.

00:48:48: And I think in your teams, it's very important how does the team work next to the court?

00:48:55: Yeah, I mean, how are we in the locker room? How are we off the floor?

00:48:59: You know, we don't have, each player might not like each other so much sometimes, but they have to respect and trust each other and get along.

00:49:12: Yes.

00:49:13: And build sacrifice. But with this Bayern Munich team, the one thing is we have tremendous people, better people than players.

00:49:23: And that's why it's a joy and an honor to coach this group.

00:49:28: So your plan is to stay a long time here in Munich? So the decision to come to Bayern was not only for one or two years?

00:49:38: I have no idea. That's out of my control.

00:49:41: I know, but maybe you have a wish because you like this club so much. You like the atmosphere. You like the players.

00:49:48: Yeah, I mean, I really have a good relationship with Herbert Heiner.

00:49:54: Okay.

00:49:56: So I really like the whole situation here. It's a great place to coach.

00:50:02: But you know, in this job, you never know. I just, I go by day by day, week by week, game by game.

00:50:10: And try to do the best I can.

00:50:13: And so many things worked so well in your career because you are like you are.

00:50:20: The World Championship, I think with the German team was, yeah, wow, as a coach to reach something like this is amazing. It's awesome.

00:50:28: But do you have a dream after a big coaching career like this? Do you have a goal?

00:50:36: I want to coach an NBA team, for example. I want to coach the Finnish national team or something like that. Is there anything?

00:50:44: No, I'm really, you know, I'm really happy and blessed where I am right now. I just want to, you know, and Marco's got a big vision where this club wants to go. I have a vision.

00:50:54: My whole thing is, you know, I'd like to get to the EuroLeague Final Four and see if we could win it.

00:51:03: And that's where I'd like to, that's where I'd like to do. That's the next step for me and for this club.

00:51:12: What would you say now after half of the season, how realistic is it to reach this Final Four?

00:51:17: You know, we've got a really tough schedule coming up. I think four of our next five games are on the road.

00:51:28: We need to play better on the road. We need to play a little bit different than we do at home.

00:51:33: And so that'll start Sunday. We play in Roadstock and then Monaco and then Milan.

00:51:42: So we'll see if we can play some, and that's my job, is to get us to play better basketball on the road, more control,

00:51:54: the temple better on the road. You know, we play a little bit, we play real up-temple at home.

00:52:00: We got to play a little bit different on the road.

00:52:03: Why is it so different on the road for a player?

00:52:06: Just the atmosphere, I think.

00:52:10: I mean, our DNA as a team is to play up-temple and play offense.

00:52:21: And we're better offensively than I thought we would be, and we're not as good defensively as I thought we would be.

00:52:27: But we have to get our defense to be a staple. Right now, our defense is a little bit of a roller coaster.

00:52:35: And we have to get that better to be a staple.

00:52:40: So there's a clear analysis of the situation, looking forward, moving forward now to the second half of the season, right?

00:52:48: Yeah, you know, we just have to become more constant on the defensive end.

00:52:55: I think offensively we can score with anybody and play with anybody. Defensively we need to be better.

00:53:03: When you started here in Munich in the summer, during the summer, I heard a story, I don't know if it's right,

00:53:09: but you were told that there are nearly 80 or 85 games a season, and you said in a very spontaneous situation, oh fuck.

00:53:17: Is that right? The first reaction?

00:53:21: I mean, I just looked at the calendar about two days ago, I couldn't believe it was December already.

00:53:26: I have no idea what day it is sometimes.

00:53:30: It's completely crazy, right?

00:53:32: Yeah, just, you know, we fly to Turkey, we fly back, we play one game, we fly to Serbia, we fly back, we go somewhere else.

00:53:42: It's a grind.

00:53:45: Do we have time for training with the team to work on it?

00:53:51: Not as much as I would like.

00:53:53: Yeah.

00:53:55: You know, and our roster, because it's Medar left, we sold them, so to speak, I guess you could say.

00:54:06: Giffy and Lukic were both hurt, so our roster was quite thin, and we had to play guys a little bit too many minutes in the BBL.

00:54:17: You know, the ideal situation would be where you can rest two or three players every BBL game and have fresh legs in the BBL.

00:54:27: You know, right now we don't have that situation, but I've got to figure that out better too with our players and coaching staff and how we can do that.

00:54:36: So you are responsible for that, right?

00:54:38: Yeah, you know, and our players are very motivated to play EuroLeague, then we come to BBL and not so motivated sometimes.

00:54:48: Is it like this, yes?

00:54:50: Yeah, I think it's human nature.

00:54:53: Because it's a different thing to play, for example, in Belgrade than in whatever, and fully, I say this, fully respect in Heidelberg, for example.

00:55:05: Yeah, yeah, no.

00:55:06: But it's a very traditional club in Germany.

00:55:08: Yes, nice city too.

00:55:10: But yeah, it's just human nature.

00:55:12: Human nature.

00:55:14: At the end, Gordy, what is your personal wish for 2025?

00:55:22: Just continue good health.

00:55:24: Good health.

00:55:26: So swimming as often as you can?

00:55:28: Good health.

00:55:30: Enjoy life day by day better than I do now.

00:55:35: Okay.

00:55:37: Smile more.

00:55:39: And enjoy life.

00:55:42: Laugh, they'll laugh.

00:55:44: I think it's important not only to laugh with others, but they'll laugh at yourself.

00:55:48: Yeah.

00:55:50: And yeah.

00:55:51: So you're fully in love, hopefully in the next year with yourself.

00:55:56: And maybe to another person.

00:55:58: It's getting private.

00:56:01: No, you always, you know, I think you always want somebody you want to grow old with and spend life with and laugh and joy and travel and...

00:56:11: This is human nature as well.

00:56:14: You know, I never thought I'd be coaching when I was 65 like I am now. I thought, you know, there's five, six years ago, I thought I was done.

00:56:22: I was quitting. I didn't enjoy coaching anymore.

00:56:24: I was frustrated.

00:56:26: You wrote a book about that?

00:56:28: Yeah, I wrote a book and it was a bestseller apparently for five weeks.

00:56:33: And you know, I came open with some stuff and people have complimented me on that.

00:56:38: The Jungs gave me my life back.

00:56:40: The boys gave back my life.

00:56:43: Yeah.

00:56:44: Yeah, no, I just...

00:56:46: It's an amazing book.

00:56:48: I love to read it.

00:56:50: Thank you.

00:56:52: No, those players were unbelievable.

00:56:54: Yeah.

00:56:56: You know, and you know, see Dennis Roder grow like he did as a leader and within the group and just the rest of the players.

00:57:03: Dennis needs atmosphere as well to make an example because in the NBA at the moment, he has a great atmosphere in Brooklyn.

00:57:12: He's a star player like in the national team, but the years before he was a good NBA player.

00:57:16: You know what I mean, but when he has a great atmosphere, when he has a coach, when he feel the trust of the coach, then it's like an explosion, right?

00:57:24: And at the moment, it was Jody Fernandez, a European coach.

00:57:28: It's interesting from Spain.

00:57:30: It works so great because I think he feels the same trust he felt with you.

00:57:38: Yeah, I was in Brooklyn last year and they told me when Dennis got traded to Brooklyn, he changed the atmosphere in the locker room.

00:57:44: You know, people don't realize what a great competitor he is.

00:57:48: He competes like no one else.

00:57:51: Franz Wagner competes like no one else.

00:57:54: And when you have your two best players compete like they do, it's unbelievable.

00:57:59: And Dennis is a great competitor.

00:58:03: And I'm really happy to see where he is right now.

00:58:07: And you know, he's in his contract here.

00:58:09: Franz just signed a big deal.

00:58:11: And I think, you know, hopefully Dennis gets a big deal after this year.

00:58:16: I mean, he's got a lot of years left.

00:58:18: My NBA is sometimes like a lottery.

00:58:21: Now at the moment, they are discussing with the Golden State Warriors and all that, but we don't know yet.

00:58:28: But we talked about your personal goals and the goals for the club.

00:58:34: You said with every guest at the end, I make a kind of power ranking, but it's quite easy.

00:58:40: Very easy power ranking.

00:58:42: Which other players are in your case, the coaches impressed you, your top three impressed you most in your life.

00:58:51: Players or coaches playing against, watching on TV.

00:58:56: Everything is possible.

00:58:58: I need three persons.

00:59:01: A huge influence on me as far as coaching offense, getting better as an offensive coach.

00:59:06: So not everybody knows him. He was coach.

00:59:08: No, yeah, he was coach in Europe, won the Euro League in Maccabi for a long time, coached in the NBA for a couple of years.

00:59:18: Unfortunately, right now he's really sick.

00:59:20: We played against his son last night.

00:59:23: Coach Pesic.

00:59:25: Sweaty's love.

00:59:27: Yeah, he's been a huge influence.

00:59:30: He came to my office a few times and gave me three pointers.

00:59:34: What we need to do better and this and that.

00:59:37: But coach Pesic really cares about this club.

00:59:40: He has heart for this club.

00:59:42: Obviously his son runs it.

00:59:45: He was coach?

00:59:47: Yeah, but he feels it.

00:59:49: And Sweaty's love is a German coach legend.

00:59:52: And he was the only legend because of the title in 1993.

00:59:57: And now you are the second.

00:59:59: Yeah, yeah, we share that together and I think.

01:00:02: 30 years later.

01:00:04: Yeah, no, you know, we beat him in the World Cup and they beat us in the Olympics.

01:00:08: So yeah, and then, you know, coach Messina is a friend and, you know, I phoned him a couple times in the World Cup to get his advice on a couple of things.

01:00:21: And he was straightforward and gave me his advice.

01:00:24: Tremendous person.

01:00:28: I don't know coach Abradovic that well from partisan, but obviously I have tremendous respect for him.

01:00:34: For me, he's one of the one of the greatest coaches of our time.

01:00:38: NBA Europe, wherever.

01:00:40: So you're talking about the coaches, not the other no players, more coaches.

01:00:47: That's interesting.

01:00:49: Yeah, I mean, players, I've really enjoyed coaching obviously Johannes Falkman.

01:00:54: I had him in Frankfurt and now the national team and now here.

01:00:57: You know, he's got great life values, family person, life values, professional.

01:01:05: You know, I've always enjoyed coaching him and, you know, and great in the locker room.

01:01:14: You know, he's the one player I can always write a.

01:01:19: You know, I think he backs me up to, which is really important.

01:01:27: You know, I've seen Andy Oakes grow throughout the years with the national team.

01:01:32: You know, it's hard for me to say any national team players are all, they were all tremendous.

01:01:39: For sure.

01:01:40: All of them.

01:01:41: I mean, and it's hard for me to pick out one.

01:01:44: I mean, Dennis Schroeder's growth as a captain, Niels Giffey, not playing a minute sometimes, but being a very, very important team person.

01:01:54: As you said, and now he's here and we are wishing you for sure because we are the podcast from the after buying basketball, the same success with the German like with the German national team.

01:02:06: As you said, the club grew up in the last years.

01:02:11: So great and now plays a big role in Europe.

01:02:15: We are as fans.

01:02:18: For example, for that, we should do the best for the second part of the season and the new start after a little bit more calm summer, right?

01:02:27: In Finland.

01:02:28: Yeah.

01:02:29: No, the one person I'd like to mention too is Moritz Wagner.

01:02:32: Yeah.

01:02:33: A great character.

01:02:35: Funny guy.

01:02:36: Unbelievable personality.

01:02:38: Great for the team.

01:02:39: Yeah.

01:02:40: And it's really good.

01:02:42: I mean, I think two, three years ago he was almost out of the NBA.

01:02:46: Now he's really established himself in Orlando and he's really made a name for himself.

01:02:50: Yeah.

01:02:51: You talk like wishing to have him here.

01:02:54: He has every team, I think.

01:02:58: Yeah.

01:02:59: Because of his character, his wonderful character.

01:03:02: Yeah.

01:03:03: Yeah.

01:03:04: His personality is amazing.

01:03:06: Did you see the documentary about them?

01:03:09: I have.

01:03:10: I'm going to watch it tonight actually.

01:03:12: Yeah, you have to.

01:03:13: So it's a German, but what about your German?

01:03:15: It's not very good.

01:03:17: I've studied German.

01:03:18: I took some intense courses a few years ago.

01:03:20: Just myself and the teacher for one week.

01:03:23: Okay.

01:03:24: I had internship, intern work with me in Frankfurt.

01:03:28: But then I left Germany in 2019.

01:03:31: I never thought I was coming back.

01:03:33: Okay.

01:03:34: But it's a difficult language.

01:03:36: I tried my very best to talk in English with you.

01:03:39: I hope you understood everything up.

01:03:41: You did.

01:03:42: I have finished.

01:03:44: I speak Finnish, but I think Finnish takes up most of my brain.

01:03:46: I don't have room for another.

01:03:48: Okay.

01:03:50: Let's go with that.

01:03:52: Godi, thank you so much.

01:03:54: Thank you.

01:03:56: Appreciate it.

01:03:58: Yeah, me as well.

01:04:00: It was amazing talking.

01:04:02: Thank you so much.

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01:04:06: If you enjoyed it, then please continue.

01:04:09: Share it in social media.

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01:04:32: A good time, a good slip into the new year.

01:04:35: We'll be back in the new year.

01:04:37: I would be very happy.

01:04:39: Thank you for the faith.

01:04:41: A nice semester party.

01:04:42: All the best.

01:04:44: That was Openport.

01:04:46: We promise to come back in the new year.

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